Session Start: Fri Feb 23 18:47:32 2001

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*** Topic is 'db does *not* roll low.'

<Amber> hi

<Castinar> Pern? McCaffery's Pern?

<Amber> yes

<Castinar> What channel?

<Amber> I think Fox

<Saif> Pern? On TV?

<Nikki> this is a pern-free server.

<Amber> pilot being made as we write.

<Saif> cool

<Nikki> i dont support any form of pern, especially child pern. do that on your own time.

<Saif> I thought it was perl that was bad, not pern

<Saif> Oh, wait, this is a Unix box

<Amber> yesp, dragons will be animated. Forgot who their trying to get for the voices.

<Nikki> perl is good. pern is bad.

<Castinar> Doh -- and there I was channel serfing for it

<Count_Arm> oh that's old news - they've been working on that at least a year now

<Saif> animated as in cartoon, or as in Hercules/Xena monsters?

<Amber> Herc/Xena

<Count_Arm> live action

<Count_Arm> hmm Saif i just finished the sheet - now to get it to you

<Saif> k

<Saif> We won't get to any stats-requiring combat tonight. Too many sheets still outstanding right now

<Saif> But we should be able to get you up to that point, enough to get you nervous about your next encounter <weg>

<Count_Arm> bah! I am all powerful now!

<Saif> K, you'll be touched first

<Count_Arm> actually im kinda more of a wimp now

<Count_Arm> just do more damage

<Amber> did you see my post about the CR's you asked about?

<Count_Arm> which is one thing we need to resolve - my hps again

<Saif> yes, that's what I needed

<Amber> Good

<Saif> how so, matar?

<Amber> glad to help

<Count_Arm> sams are d12

<Castinar> Yep --- good section of MM. I had wondered about htat and went searching last weekend at con

<Amber> I think...<g>

<Saif> Matar - we'll just keep averaging what you had before compared to your new possible dice.

<Castinar> That was a close one...

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<Amber> hi

<Saif> If you have a bunch of different types of dice we'll take the max possible/had for your old and your max possible now and figure out the ratio for your current have to make them even, then spread the points around.

<Saif> lightning?

* Castinar nods

<Castinar> think it knocked out my cable already

<Castinar> *that was last night

<Castinar> back to standard modem

* Castinar frowns

* Saif feels bad for Castinar

<Saif> brb

* Amber feels bad about Castinar and lighting too...shouldn't have left Matars glove outside!

<Castinar> LOL

<Castinar> speaking of lightning.....

<Amber> *we had lightning yesterday. Thank goodness it stopped before Survivor and the chick-en fight.

<Castinar> did my extra resistance to lightning convert over (Red Vale?)

<Castinar> chick-en fight?

<Amber> two women fighting over whether chickens should be eaten everyday or skip a day...one was a Vegy with a big mouth.

<Amber> Got voted off.

<Castinar> hehe

<Amber> from promo, looks like next week someone gets attack by a croc and medivaced away.

<Amber> fun show!

<Saif> back

<Saif> So who are we missing?

<Saif> Thengal and Sane, which I knew

<Saif> Kat?

<Castinar> *Unfortunately -- maybe me soon

<Castinar> *Haven't seen Paul yet

<Saif> He's up on Yahoo. I'll see if he's there

<Saif> nope

<Saif> We'll give him a few more and then start

<Saif> ###

<Saif> On the agenda so far:

<Saif> Money for Ari's stuff (and deciding what Ari finally wants)

<Saif> Money for Diana's stuff (and deciding what Diana finally wants)

<Saif> Any last-minute "I wanna do"s

<Saif> Heading back into the UD

<Saif> So Ari and Diana - have you guys decided what you want to do?

<Diana> I sent you email. did you get a chance to look at it?

<Amber> *guys?? gender change? <G>

<Saif> double checking (got a _lot_ of e-mail today <g>)

<Saif> guys as in the gender-neutral multiple pronoun

<Saif> Diana - one belt, one bodice at a minimum, then goggles as the party agrees, correct?

<Castinar> .

<Diana> yes

<Saif> pong

<Diana> but the belt and bodice will be outta my share,m and proceeds from the goggles (if any)

<Saif> Let me go check something....

<Saif> looking into the personal shares issue...

<Saif> K, just before the dragon the party policy was 3% shares to individuals. I don't think I've been taking that out of the total, so I'm going to re-calcuate out treasure from the dragons. (OOC: Does anybody remember exactly when (within the storyline) we had that big conversation about treasure and Castinar came up with the policy which is currently up on the web?)

<Castinar> Hmmm... might have it in archives

<Castinar> ouch -- those archives must be on CD <G>.

<Saif> OK, got it

<Castinar> Was after the Quagoth, but not long I dont' think

<Castinar> Slimes?

<Castinar> nm

<Saif> Since the time the policy came up you've gone through the dragon area and the slavers

<Saif> gaining just over 180,000 gp in loot

<Ari> we fought the dragon last march I think if that helps

<Saif> At 3% per person that means that everybody gets a personal share of 5,517 gold pieces

<Ari> looking through emails now

<Castinar> Wow... what am i gonna do with that???

* Castinar grins

<Saif> That also means the "liquid funds" on the web page drops from 122,000 to 77,000

<Saif> That should help those looking at having personal magic items created

<Amber> yes, it does. easy come easy go...

<Saif> * I'll update the treasure section on the web to reflect that this weekend

<Saif> .

<Saif> Let's start

<Saif> .

<Saif> Issue 1: Thengal wants to spend 6,000 to craft Ari a +2 long sword. He wants the party to pay for it.

<Saif> Does the party agree?

* Castinar has no problems with that

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-> *Diana* - so it looks like you'll be able to do the bodice out of your own funds, if you want to do that

<Diana> Not a problem :)

<Guess_who> db does so roll low

<db> Guess_who rolled 1d20: [18]

<Count_Arm> i can acceed to that demand

<Amber> okay by me

<Saif> Is Amber going to pay for the belt that Diana is making for her?

<Amber> now that I have some money..yes.

<Amber> easy come easy go...

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<Diana> Diana is willing to make some Goggles of the Underdark for the party, so we can go without using light.

<Diana> They will cost the party about 10,000gp each, to cover the cost of Diana's xp expenditure

<Nikki> * when you were here earlier and were rolling sets of d20s, it was actually rolling slightly above average.

<Diana> they provide Darkvision out to 60', and a +5 to spot checks.

<Diana> and about 5 days to produce each one.

<Castinar> Expensive, but worth the cost I think

<Saif> * Note the party will need 8 of these to cover everybody who needs them (everybody except for Ari and Thengal)

<Diana> how many people have darkvision naturally?

<Diana> ah

<Diana> didnt know about Kat or Castinar, since one or the other could have had it

<Castinar> Oh --- thats right... I don't have DV anymore

<Castinar> or equiv

<Eric> Pretty soon Diana will be raking in cash Like Nikki does with magic items :)

<Castinar> <sigh> And I have no craft skills..... :-]

<Amber> *not enough cash ..again..<g> right now down to 3290..I think. Nice to have though.

<Diana> so the party would need to come up with 80,000gp. i think it probobly should come from party funds, not personal funds

<Diana> how much liquid assets did we have?

<Castinar> 77k

<Diana> ah...

<Diana> hrm

<Diana> minus 6k for ari's sword

<Saif> So you'll need to sell off some of the nicer gems and stuff (you have some semi-liquid assets)

<Castinar> *And, I think we should keep at least 30k for emergencies

<Saif> Hum, how much does a resurrection cost now a days?

<Diana> what is our semi-liquid assets?

<Saif> 5,000 + gp gems and jewelry

<Diana> how much of that do we have?

<Saif> 30,000

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<Diana> hrm

<Kat> hellow

<Amber> scroll of Resurrection-True costs 8,825 gp

<Castinar> *Anyone have any spells to cover the Darkvision (semi-long lasting type?)

<Castinar> 2nd level sorc/wiz spell, lasts 1 hr/level

<Castinar> don't suppose any has?

<Diana> dont have it.

<Diana> well we may have to hold off on the goggles then

<Diana> but something to keep in mind for later

<Saif> So maybe around 5,000 for an in-the-person casting

<Castinar> get 4 or 5 now?

<Diana> the real advantage is being able to go completely lightless

<Diana> i suppose i could buy the spell darkvision, and cast it on the others...

<Diana> although im streching my support spells out pretty far.

<Saif> Make a Wand

<Diana> dont have that craft :)

<Saif> Or did anybody bother to take that?

<Diana> maybe nikki?

<Saif> What, nobody wants to make spell batteries?

<Amber> Maybe making some for the scouts and warriors, then the rest later?

<Saif> Nope, she took Make Rod. She's lusting after that Rod of Wonder

<Diana> lol

<Nikki> sorry

<Nikki> whats up?

<Amber> snicker

<Eric> oh my god not Nikki's dreaded rod of wonder

<Diana> well, how many we want then?

<Diana> 4?

<Castinar> Or buy the spell and some of the goggles -- casting of spell to cover those who don't have goggles?

<Diana> yah

<Diana> that was what i was thinking.

<Nikki> i want to do stuff. whats going on? help help! im at work and i cant get up!

<Diana> although casting that spell every day on people will take alot of diana's spell power

<Saif> BTW, Sane will NOT be coming down with you into the Underdark again.

<Diana> maybe Nikki and i can share that

<Diana> oh

<Saif> So I guess that means party leadership is up in the air again.

<Amber> *spin around on your chair till you fall down, then you can get up.

<Diana> what happened?

<Nikki> ack! what am i sharing?

<Kat> What happened to Sane?

<Saif> He's just been real busy with real life.

<Diana> casting Darkvision twice a day nikki

<Nikki> oh

<Saif> He'll join up again later

<Castinar> Sounds good --- isn't the sane without him <G>

<Diana> think you could do that? then diana could cast the other two, and we could by 4 goggles

<Eric> Your magic items is what you are sharing Nikki

* Saif slaps Castinar around a bit with a large trout

<Nikki> what level spell is it?

<Castinar> *the 8 didn't include Sane, did they?

<Diana> 2nd level nikki

<Nikki> sure

<Kat> So, Sane got in trouble with the other council members? 'You are not to go adventuring without our approval!!'

<Diana> ok saif, thats what we will do then. 4 goggles (Diana, Matar... who else?) and then Nikki will cast two darkvisions a day, and Diana will cast two darkvisions a day

<Saif> k

<Nikki> why dont we just carry torches and lanterns like normal people?

<Castinar> *someone who a DM won't adversely affect

<Diana> btw, the goggles look like rayban wrap around sunglasses :)

<Kat> Is Diana going to make some nice pretty gloves for Kat?

<Castinar> I've got blindfighting, so a spell would work for me

<Diana> cant do it the same way anymore Kat

<Kat> Why not?

<Diana> so it would cost me about 534 xp, wich is too much right now

* Diana points at Saif.

* Diana grins.

<Kat> What changed? No transfer?

<Diana> yah

* Saif is clamping down on the magic items

<Kat> I guess making an amulet of Mighty Fists is out of the question too

<Diana> for the time being

<Diana> working on new default spell list Saif, to include darkvision.

<Diana> Diana will get one Goggles, and Matar the other. vote on who gets the other two :)

<Kat> How much does it cost to create the goggles?

<Nikki> how much does a lantern cost?

<Diana> 10,000gp

<Saif> that's an expensive lantern

<Kat> and xp?

<Amber> lol

<Saif> must be the one with the nuclear flame

<Nikki> im going into lantern sales. screw adventuring

<Diana> about 132xp for the goggles

<Diana> each

<Kat> Do you know how much xp it would cost to make the gloves with only a +2 or +4?

<Diana> er... id have to calculate them.

<Castinar> Gotta run all --- storm kicking up again

<Kat> If Kat had some gloves, that could free up a Cat's Grace from Diana's daily spells

<Castinar> Might be back if it settles down

<Diana> around 4,000gp for a +2 version, and about 16,000gp for a +4 version

<Castinar> Later

<Amber> bye

<Nikki> cya

<Saif> keep talking, brb

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<Nikki> and yes, to whoever mentioned it before, i do plan on having a rod of wonder.

<Diana> 52 xp for the +2, and 211xp for the +4

<Diana> i would do the +2 no problem. ill have to check to be sure i can do the +4

<Ari> brb

<Diana> is your dex an odd number Kat?

<Kat> 16

<Diana> ah

<Nikki> i suspect everyones stats are all even numbers

<Amber> nope

<Diana> i have a pair of odds...

<Amber> i have 3 odds

<Count_Arm> im all even

<Nikki> need to munchkin up those even numbered stats

<Diana> i just transferred them straight over to the new system

<Diana> and all my bonus stats have been going to wisdom :)

<Nikki> huh? he said to redo em under the new rules

<Diana> he said you could redo them

<Nikki> oh

<Nikki> i read it as mandatory.

<Diana> especially if you wanted a higher int.

<Nikki> got a 22 int. im not complaining. lost my CHA though

<Diana> 22 nice.

<Nikki> just plain old average looking elf chick now.

<Diana> amber, is your strength an odd number?

<Amber> no, 10

<Diana> *nod*

<Diana> +3 stat bonus is a cheap +2 stat modifier, so thats why i ask

<Amber> k

<Diana> Kat, did you want the +2 dex gloves?

<Kat> Can you cast Cat's Grace on Kat instead?

<Diana> I can yes, already doing that

<Kat> then, don't worry about the gloves until you can make a +4 or +6

<Diana> talk with saif about the bonus you get, i think he wants you to roll just once then modify your character sheet appropriately

<Saif> hum?

<Saif> Yes, either roll once and put that number in the Temp area, or accept the median amount

<Kat> what

<Nikki> im confused too

<Count_Arm> can we take median if we roll lower?

<Kat> What's the median amount?

<Saif> on any ability enhancing roll.

<Saif> Whatever 1/2 of the maxium amount would be, rounded down

<Count_Arm> can take a 3 or roll?

<Saif> For example, bull's strength is d4+1, so a median on the roll would be 2, +1 = 3

<Saif> Matar - nope, you rolled, you're stuck with the rolls.

<Nikki> why not just reroll each day?

<Saif> because it's a pain

<Kat> What's the roll for Cat's Grace?

<Diana> 1d4+1

<Saif> same

<Nikki> make the players keep track of it. if they dont they get the minimum. shrug.

<Kat> I'll take the roll

<Nikki> but thats just me. im a mean gm

<Saif> you want to roll now, Kat?

<Kat> sure

<Kat> db 1d4+1

<db> Kat rolled 1d4+1: [4]

<Saif> got the extra +

<Kat> good job db

<Saif> annotating that as your Temp dex score -

<Diana> nice :)

<Saif> Diana - so how many ability-enhancing spells do you plan on casting daily and on whom?

<Kat> Saif, what about changing the rest of the tables on the character sheet?

<Diana> one sec

<Diana> bulls strength, cats grace, and endurance on Matar. Cats grace on Kat

<Diana> then 2 darkvision spells on whoever

<Diana> i can send you my char sheet after we figure this out, it has updated spell selection and notes

<Saif> Kat - I'm still trying to decide how best to do that, especially with spells vs items. I'll probably put the +2 in the misc area where applicable as a colored number, then the battle grid will only reflect the colored number.

<Saif> k

<Kat> ok

<Saif> OK, so as I understand it the magic items being crafted are:

<Saif> Belt for Amber, Bodice for Diana, Sword for Ari, Sword and Shield for Ari, 4 Goggles of Eagle Darkvision

<Saif> Anything else?

<Diana> sword and sword for ari?

<Count_Arm> not magic but i'm looking to have made a mighty +8 composite longbow

<Saif> sorry, sword (by thengal), armor and shield (by Ari)

<Diana> ah heh ok :)

<Diana> Castinar and Kat should probobly get the other two goggles of eagle darkvision

<Diana> since they are scouts

<Count_Arm> shadow have darkvision or no?

<Diana> and ill cast darkvision on amber and shadow, and nikki can cast it on herself and... who?

<Amber> shadow?

<Diana> ive got shadow...

<Amber> oops :)

<Diana> hrm... amber, ari, matar, diana, kat, nikki, thengel, shadow, castinar

<Diana> i only count 7 who need darkvision, am i missing someone?

<Saif> No, Shadow doesn't

<Count_Arm> my as yet undetermined cohort/followers

<Diana> :P

<Diana> are you bringing them down?

<Saif> ah, I was counting Sane, who isn't going down

<Diana> *nod* k

<Diana> well, nikki can cast darkvision on shadow and herself, and I can just cast it on amber then

<Diana> saves me some spell power

<Saif> OK, any other general "while I'm in Jurgenville" intentions?

<Amber> *only those stated in posts.

<Nikki> * I've got my rod of wonder and maybe a +int item to make plus my spell research.

<Saif> Check

<Saif> Anybody else?

<Diana> Never did get around to any spell research. oh well. i wonder if i have time left?

<Kat> Saif, did you get Kat's actions in email?

<Kat> Nikki, will you cast Magic Missiles into my ring?

<Saif> yes, didn't see any problems there

<Nikki> I'll cast anything for anyone's item creation stuff they need cast so long as it doesn't cost me XP or anything like that.

<Saif> You're going to cause quite the scene with the local druids and rangers running all over the mountainside looking like a big spider <g>

<Nikki> brb

<Kat> Nikki, it won't cost you a thing, except the spell for the day. Also, your spell layout that Saif wants for the spell. I'll need that when Kat casts it.

<Nikki> spell layout?

<Ari> who needs a big spider?

<Amber> like I make cure moderate wounds potions..can be 2d8+1 up to 2d8+6...MM can be d4+1?? up to??

<Amber> or was that 4d4, etc.?

<Amber> whatever

<Saif> hum? Your potions would always be your max, so 2d8+6 for this batch.

<Ari> brb - putting Christopher to bed

<Amber> oh?! I thought you could make it any strength...

<Saif> You can make it weaker, if you want.

<Amber> that's what I thought...sell the weak ones and make strong for the group. <g>

<Saif> I guess that would save you 1 XP per potion

<Saif> no, 5 per potion (1 per level)

<Amber> yep

<Saif> .

<Saif> OK, moving on to another fun topic

<Saif> Who's going to be the new interim party leader now that Sane is AWOL again?

<Saif> .

<Diana> Matar :)

<Diana> hes the count now

<Amber> Count M

<Nikki> me!

<Nikki> Woo hoo! I appoint myself leader of the truth seekers!

<Nikki> we're doing this based on raw INT from now on.

<Diana> as long as tie breaks are wisdom :)

<Ari> leave Wisdom scores ot of this

<Saif> I've got two nomiations for Matar - anybody else want to nominate somebody (besides themselves <g>)

<Count_Arm> ya no kidding

<Count_Arm> 1 will save woohoo!

<Saif> OK, any opposition to Matar?

<Count_Arm> oh cast dropped hehe

<Ari> yeha..I am NOT calling him My Lord or Count

<Count_Arm> if it makes you happy Ari, call me da

<Amber> call him Kowntem

<Nikki> on a more serious note i think our dungeon crawl time needs a tactical leader

<Nikki> it just kills me everytime we split the party for no particular reason, for example.

<Kat> What does that mean to be leader? If we catch George playing something else while chatting, can we replace him with Nikki?

<Saif> OK, Matar is now interim party leader - which could turn permanent if David gets too wrapped up in RL

<Saif> No, that just means George is now my whipping boy/gopher

<Nikki> in all seriousness, i want to be tactical sub-leader. no more splitting the party, no more getting PC's dead or at risk in silly ways

<Saif> sssrrrkh! <ah, tactical sub-leader one, this is tactical sub-leader two, how copy, over> ssshhhhrk

<Nikki> :)

<Diana> Ive always been fond of short range large burst tac nukes.

<Count_Arm> <load nikki in ballista 3 and prepare to fire over>

<Saif> So Nikki, what exactly do you propose the responsibilities of the tactical sub-leader be?

<Nikki> leader breaks down into two roles: one is all the role playing and diplomacy stuff. i dont want any part of that

<Nikki> the other is things like party order, do we stay, do we run, once the decision to attack is made, do we rush em or go slow, etc

<Nikki> some very basic stuff that's been done at random and whim up to now

<Eric> I'm giving up the 'puter to Missy

<Nikki> a few people have died because of it

<Eric> night all

<Amber> ta

<Kat> night Eric

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<Nikki> basically, its organising combats.

<Nikki> and pre-combat

<Nikki> and trying to avoid combats we're going to lose.

<Nikki> the rest of leadership type stuff is of no interest to me.

<Kat> Nikki, do you mean like, what Diana is doing? Set spells to improve stats?

<Nikki> that support.

<Nikki> i mean like, "no the 3 of you dont need to go scout the lizardman lair off the troll lair and get someone dead hanging in the air without anyone there to heal or help"

<Nikki> if you'll recall that episode.

<Diana> I seem to recall that yeah

<Nikki> or maybe, "no half the party isn't staying behind while a few move forward to talk to the friendly looking NPC's down yonder"

<Diana> although you did have a healer, you where just out of reach :)

<Nikki> or a mage to wipe them out in bulk.

<Nikki> or fly up and drag you down

<Nikki> or just have so many there that the lizardmen wouldn't have tried that in the first place.

<Nikki> it just irks me everytime we do stuff that either gets someone dead or *should* have gotten someone dead and only dumb luck made it not so.

<Saif> So any opposition to Nikki becoming Pre-tactical-engagement-planner Nikki?

<Count_Arm> im a bit offended that Nikki thinks she can do it better then I can with my studies in leadership and all

<Kat> ok, you've sited situation that it would have been help to have this planner you talk of. How are you going to stop those things from happening?

<Saif> So we have "How can I govern a County when I can't get these eight people to follow directions" Matar and "What do you MEAN you want to go up there alone" pre-tactical-engagement-planner Nikki

<Nikki> kat, it requires everyone to agree to it. no one can _force_ someone else to play their character differently. but when they die, they'll know why it went that way :)

<Saif> * being party leader will prepare Matar for political intrigue with the Fairdells <g>

<Diana> lol

<Diana> I always thought party leader should do both jobs.

<Diana> I dont see why we need two different people

<Kat> Nikki, don't get me wrong, I like the idea. I hope it will work.

<Nikki> its fine with me if george wants to do it all but im going to bitch loudly about any more party splits or other silly crap.

<Amber> Need someone for back up I would think..just in case one goes unconscious...<g>

<Diana> Well, a chain of command would be fun, be we are not the military :)

<Saif> There, that's a much better title than "pre-engagement-tactical-coordinater". Bitch. Nikki is now Bitch Nikki. <G>

<Nikki> kat, basically i want to formalise the concept that we dont all just go walking around willy nilly getting dead.

<Count_Arm> wew actually kinda almost are now with all those silly knight hoods

<Diana> But Im willing to agree to not walking around willy nilly getting dead :)

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<Count_Arm> Saif: that's not much of a change now is it?

<Amber> Yeah, no more trusting npc's that's for sure!

<Diana> yah, we already decided that if it speaks, it lies

<Diana> and therefore we kill it

<Amber> lol

<Saif> I'm going to throw some honest kuo-tao at you next encounter, just to really mess you up

<Diana> nah, we will just kill em ;)

<Diana> seriously, every encounter we have had: it speaks, it lies.

<Diana> even the gnomes :P

<Saif> As the last one dies he'll gasp out "42!"

<Amber> groan!

<Bitch> Anyway, I leave it to the Count to decide. If he'd like to appoint someone to take care of some of life's petty details, I'm willing. If he wants to micromanage his whole kingdom, that's ok by me. <g>

<Diana> Im willing to go along with the Bi... er Nikki's proposal

<Diana> afk getting a pop

<Saif> So Matar - you want to run it yourself for a while and see how it goes, or do you want Nikki's help right off the bat?

<Amber> *don't you already have a Dad? Oh! soda pop!

<Count_Arm> i still think it'd be bassackwards IC but OOC sure let Judd run things

<Saif> She could be your "advisor"

<Bitch> every king has someone behind the throne. :)

<Saif> She is pretty darn smart now. Scary smart if she gets her tiara done.

<Amber> great idea! All nobles have advisors

<Count_Arm> bah she'd be constantly bickering with my BattleMage

<Kat> So, Nikki is the war wizard assigned to guard the new count?

<Bitch> i could whisper things in your ear all day while the peasants look on and wonder

<Saif> You gonna do a mage cohort then?

<Saif> I need to know that tonight if you want to take them down with you.

<Count_Arm> ugh tonight?

<Count_Arm> um has my leadership level changed after the counting?

<Saif> If you want to take them down. That's what we're up to next.

<Saif> yes, it would. Isn't there a +2 circumstantial bonus for being famous, or something like that? (checking)

<Saif> I'll have to double check what you have already. I think you already had +2 for prestige. This might bump it up one more, but not two.

<Saif> Tonight I just need to know if you plan on taking anybody with you into the UD, and if so, what type. Also that will effect how many darkvision spells need to be cast.

<Bitch> i need to get going home. is now a good time for an hour+ long drive?

<Amber> *unless a battle mage can cast it him/herself...

<Saif> Probably, Judd. I'm going to see if anybody has anything else, then get the party to the first encounter

<Bitch> k.

<Saif> In fact, since Castinar isn't here, this may not take much longer.

<Bitch> cya then. roughl an hour.

<Bitch> roughly

* Bitch waves goodbye

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<Count_Arm> im wondering if i would have 2 at this point?

<Saif> let me see what I have written down (if I can find it)

<Count_Arm> i'd like to do something with Trent - which might beed to be changed if you won't let him do items for me

<Count_Arm> but i can also see a battlemage in there too

<Saif> Matar - what did your charisma end up being?

<Count_Arm> 10

<Saif> so just your level then, which is 8.

<Kat> Did Castinar purchase any more items for the underdark?

<Kat> Like the non-scent powder?

<Saif> So yeah, I've got you at 11 now, 8 base, +2 prestige, +2 stronghold, -1 move around a lot.

<Count_Arm> eh? it was 11

<Count_Arm> ah right

<Saif> I'll give you 1 more for becoming a count (really great prestige instead of just great), which puts you at 12. That gives you another lower-level followers, but doesn't pop your cohort up.

<Saif> cohort still at 7th

<Count_Arm> well 12 is 8th except it has to be 1 lower

<Count_Arm> then my lvl

<Saif> When you hit 9th that will pop you up to 12th and your cohort can rise to 8th.

<Saif> db d100

<db> Saif rolled 1d100: [94]

<Saif> db d100

<db> Saif rolled 1d100: [3]

<Saif> db d15

<db> Saif rolled 1d15: [11]

<Count_Arm> it just doesnt seem clear if you can have more then 1 cohort or not

<Count_Arm> not really looking to bring a bunch of 1st lvl schmucks down here

<Saif> says "a" cohort, so just 1

<Count_Arm> that would kill my rating pretty quick

<Count_Arm> heh it says cohorts all over the place

<Saif> We had talked about leaving the 1st level guys up at TSR. Or they could be your father's personal bodyguard down in Greenleaf

<Count_Arm> right

<Kat> Does the Count want the party to call him Count or Matar?

<Count_Arm> under benefits - Having this feat enables the character to attract loyal companions and devoted followers

<Saif> I see where you are. i'm on the side-bar, you're in the text. reading...

<Count_Arm> not a loyal compainion and it does it throughout the description

<Saif> I think it's supposed to be 1 cohort, multiple followers.

<Saif> I think you should get a monster cohort. Much more fun.

<Count_Arm> well look at the top of the next page

<Count_Arm> Cohorts and Followers

<Count_Arm> ah 147

<Saif> Right, just read through there. But in the text it still talks mostly about a cohort or the cohort.

<Count_Arm> 3rd paragraph from bottom right side

<Count_Arm> in the end its up to you anyway

<Count_Arm> so if you want me to team up with a space hamster i dont have much choice

<Saif> That sounds like it's talking about henchmen. So what's the difference between a cohort who follows a PC from the Leadership feat, and a cohort that just follows them around because they are hired to do so?

<Count_Arm> well there arn't henchmen in 3rd ed as far as ive seen

<Count_Arm> this is what replaced them

<Saif> It looks like there are two types - those that "seek out" the PC, and those that are "hired" by them.

<Saif> Your special cohort will be the "seek out" kind, but will be singular. You can then hire additional cohorts (the old henchmen), but their level and abilities will be determined more by the color of your coin than your reputation and leadership ability.

<Count_Arm> right and loyal cohorts become trusted friends etc

<Count_Arm> well what im thinking is Trent would be special and this battlemage that was just assigned to me would be the hired kind until we got to know each other

<Saif> There's another diff - looks like leadership cohorts are automatically played by the player. Hired cohorts can get to that point if well treated and loyal.

<Saif> So, for now, you get the free one (7th level). In the future (next time in town, whatever) you (or anybody else, for that matter) can hire additional ones.

<Saif> .

<Saif> K, anything else?

<Saif> .

<Saif> for in town

<Kat> So, that was the amulet of power for 4,000gp, right Saif?

<Saif> sure!

<Count_Arm> hmm can a mere 7th level battlemage even transport me around like we've been saying?

<Saif> Wow, Raise Dead and Resurrection don't have XP costs.

<Saif> With help from his War Wizard buddies, helping you to get established

<Saif> But not once we 'go live' and you head back into the UD

<Saif> He'll have to return that wonderful Wand of Teleporting New Counts back to the War Wizards then

<Saif> .

<Saif> So, ready to head back down?

<Kat> Saif, Kat's ring will have MM, CMW, X-Para, and Neut Posion. ok

<Diana> sure

<Saif> k

<Saif> remind me in e-mail once I get ready to put a battle grid out (I'll call for spells)

<Ari> *Kat sending the stuff now

<Count_Arm> guess ill just go with the Battlemage - there were a couple holes in getting Trent to be a 7th lvl cleric anyway

<Saif> And Matar - you want to bring him along now?

<Count_Arm> oh ya

<Saif> K - make sure he has Darkvision as one of his spells so he can take care of himself with that.

<Saif> OK, so where do you go to?

<Count_Arm> right

<Saif> Back to where you met up with the Slavers then press on?

<Count_Arm> erk what were we trying to do when we ran into them?

<Saif> You thought you were approaching the City of the Glass Pool area

<Count_Arm> right i guess that's a good way to go then - tracks will be a little cold perhaps

<Saif> If you look at the Gnome Map you were expecting to come up to the branch going off to where it says "Many diregund here"

<Kat> Saif, was just informed that remove paralyzation is only second level.

<Kat> *(it was third)

<Saif> (home page - resources - maps - gnome map)

<Saif> * Kat, k

<Kat> *another MM for the ring

<Count_Arm> your pages are getting more and more netscape unfriendly

<Saif> Haven't changed anything on them in a while. must be Netscape 6 <g>

<Count_Arm> nope i havent upgraded yet

<Count_Arm> ugh afk a sec potty

<Saif> So is that where you head? Hum. We just lost the party leader and the sub-tactical-leader is being held captive by SF traffic

<Saif> I'll assume so

<Amber> *humm looks like I will have to update my map I printed out. don't have diregund on it...

<Kat> Does his battlemage go with him to the potty?

<Kat> What does his battlemage look like?

<Saif> You have a difficult time getting through the wormholes again. It is fairly clear that sooner or later you're going to have to deal with those worms.

<Saif> * don't know yet, He's got a week to work it out

<Kat> ok

<Saif> amber - make sure you're looking at the gnome map, not the underdark map

<Saif> Hum, I'm going to have to recalculate all the marching times as well.

<Amber> *oh, its not marked as such, just days from x to x etc.

<Saif> Anyway, about a day or so after the point where you fought the Slavers something happens

<Saif> * If you're looking at the map with the travel times on it you've got the wrong map

<Saif> * If it has "to your lands" up near the top, that's the gnome map

<Saif> Castinar is up ahead, scouting.

<Count_Arm> ok the question is do we go after the diregund or do we bypass and keep going to the city?

<Amber> *oh dear afk..shouldn't have mentioned potty....nope, have to look thru other folder for right map.

<Saif> He returns to the party and reports "there is light up ahead. Normal light, not just glowing mold."

<Saif> * it's on the web

<Saif> So now we'll wait for the party's leader to, ah, return and we'll see where we go from here

<Count_Arm> hmm and no cast still

<Count_Arm> did he see the source of the light at all?

<Amber> *back

<Saif> No, it was still a ways away, he just wanted to inform you of it (which he probably woudlnt' have done, but since he isn't here I'm having him do it)

<Saif> Want him to scout it out a little better? Or somebody else want to do/try anything?

<Amber> *have to wait till I get off to go to webpage, software not working with IRC going.

<Count_Arm> does one of magic user types have invis memorized?

<Diana> *no

<Saif> That was Sane's job

<Diana> yah, i should pick up invis while im in town if sane isnt coming

<Saif> Castinar does have his cloak, which means he's pretty good at hiding

<Amber> *what about ARi? she have it?

<Saif> arcane spell

<Count_Arm> hmmm maybe this is where nikki needs to take over and prepare for combat?

<Count_Arm> oh wait hes not here again

<Kat> "Well, next time we are in Jurgenville, I can ask Sane to put on in my ring."

<Saif> Cast's skill modifiers are +16 to move silently and +19 to hide. He's pretty good and being sneaky.

<Saif> at being sneaky, not and being

<Count_Arm> so the choice is to foolishly split the party up and let cast try and see what the source of the light is or go in as a group and maybe walk into another trap

<Saif> Where's Nikki when you need her? <g>

<Ari> K'harn can help cast scout but she isn't invis

<Saif> Cast is comfortable scouting ahead. he's conviently forgotten what happened to Sane in the behir lair.

<Count_Arm> id rather cast scout too

<Count_Arm> but we'll never hear the end of it if something happens to him

<Kat> *or himself in the strange creature lair where he and shadow were almost killed

<Saif> Something always happens to him. <g>

<Count_Arm> true

<Count_Arm> things are supposed to go better for him in 3rd ed

<Saif> OK, so have Cast scout it out?

<Count_Arm> yup

<Saif> K, he goes forward

<Kat> "If he scouts ahead, can we be a lot closer. If he gets into trouble, we can get there to help him, maybe."

<Saif> How long do you wait for him to return before you send somebody else?

<Kat> *Is the Hunter network down?

<Count_Arm> we'll send a person every five minutes until someone returns!

<Count_Arm> heh hmmm how far ahead is he going?

<Saif> * in the past you've normally waited about a half hour. it takes a while to scout stealthily

<Saif> How about you guys can move foward to where the light is just visible. He'll then be about 2000 feet away.

<Count_Arm> that sounds good

<Saif> K

<Saif> let me draw a real quick map of what he sees

<Kat> *just a short bow shot away

<Amber> *[dum, de dum dum..]

* Amber keeps eye on walls or area to either side of her in case of surprise by earth creatures..who seem to have a tendency to pop out when you least expect it.

<Kat> How high are the ceilings?

<Saif> back

<Saif> Kat - I'll check on that in a sec

<Kat> "Matar, I can scout from a ledge up above."

<Count_Arm> ugh that doesn't look good

<Saif> Castinar returns. His face is very tight. He looks so angry he is practically shaking. Both Shadow and Hunter are upset by his appearance. He even has a little tic in his right cheek.

<Saif> "Derro!" he spits out

<Saif> * you guys would know he really, really hates (the way only a ranger can) derro

*** Saif is now known as Castinar

<Castinar> He takes several deep breaths to calm himself down, then gives his report

<Castinar> He draws a simple map on the ground with a stick - see combat.gif

<Castinar> "It looks like we've come to the branch on the gnomes' map. A large tunnel cuts off at a 90 degree angle here

<Castinar> The intersection is guarded by derro

<Castinar> They have some simple fortifications set up

<Castinar> They jut out into the tunnel we're traveling down, and back into their tunnel.

<Castinar> The fortifications are about 15 or 20 feet tall

<Castinar> There is a derro with a crossbow atop each, one looking in our direction, the other looking down the other direction

<Castinar> I saw a third derro at one point. He came up and talked to the derro on the far side, then walked out of my line of sight, back down the side tunnel.

<Castinar> * Questions?

<Diana> forts are stone?

<Count_Arm> ceiling height?

<Castinar> Yes, fortifications are of stone. They are not dressed very well. Thengal would be embarassed. But they will do.

<Castinar> ceiling... ceiling... looking

<Count_Arm> was he able to look down the other corridor at all?

<Kat> "There was some derro working with the kuo-toa and the illithiad. This might be an outpost for the City of the Glass Pool."

<Castinar> 30'

<Kat> "Did they look up at the ceiling very much?"

<Castinar> Not very far, the fortifications were in the way

<Castinar> Kat - no, but they seemed to be fairly alert

<Count_Arm> are derro susceptible to sleep?

<Castinar> Also they have the tunnel you are in lit up for several hundred feet in each direction by glowing globes

<Castinar> * are you asking somebody that, Matar?

<Kat> "Any magic traps?"

<Castinar> "That's your job Kat, not mine. No, not that were obvious."

<Count_Arm> im asking the group - prolly cast or nikki

<Amber> "If the 3rd Derro talked to the far guard, perhaps they are expecting visitors from that direction?"

<Castinar> It was Sane that did the research on Derro. Cast would know that they are resistant to magic, even more so than normal dwarves, but no specifics.

<Castinar> to Amber - Cast shrugs. "I didn't get close enough to hear what they were discussing."

<Count_Arm> ah thought rangers usually knew a bit about their hated race

<Amber> "Just surmising, didn't think you could hear them or lipread." and she grins.

<Castinar> yes, but not specific immunities and weaknesses, unless they have IC studied that, which Cast hasn't

<Count_Arm> Did it look like there were slits in the fortifactions hiding other archers?

<Castinar> to Matar "Not that I noticed, but the rock-work was not awe inspiring. Some of the cracks could be fired through."

<Count_Arm> "Can we find another way around in some side tunnels or do we have to get past this?"

<Castinar> "But I didn't get the impression that the tower was hollow. The outer wall didn't look sturdy enough to be weight-bearing. Maybe Thengal could tell for sure."

* Castinar shakes his head. "I haven't noticed any large side tunnels for the past day or two."

<Count_Arm> "What was the source of this light?"

<Kat> "Can you detect any other life besides the three you saw? ARe there any spells that might tell us more about their forts?"

<Castinar> They are small globes, about yeah big (holds out his hands about 9" apart) that glow. Not as strong as a continual light spell, but they do provide plenty of light to see by. They are placed all up and down the tunnel

<Castinar> to Kat "No, just those three. As for spells, I don't have any"

<Kat> "Diana, do you have any spells that might tell us more about it?"

<Count_Arm> "Can't Derro see in the dark? Why would they need light?"

* Castinar shakes his head. "No, they can't see in the dark like pure dwarves can. They see about as good as an elf."

<Castinar> * Hold on, that's a change from 2e to 3e that I didn't catch

<Castinar> * they do have dark vision now, but not at any great distance

<Castinar> * Ok, how about

* Castinar shrugs. "They can see in the dark, yes, but not to any great distance. If they want to use those crossbows effectively then they need light."

<Count_Arm> "Do our darkness spells block these new glass thingys?"

<Castinar> Nikki says "If they function like normal light spells they may temporarily darken them, but it would take a Greater Darkness spell cast directly on them to neutralize them."

<Count_Arm> "No no I mean our new darkvision glasses or the spell we started using!"

<Kat> "You mean, does the darkness spells make the glasses not work. I would guess that it does."

* Amber continues to keep her eyes peeled for danger to the sides and in back. Only paying half of her attention to the discussion.

<Castinar> * what darkness spells?

<Count_Arm> * i dunno we used to have some

<Kat> * The ones that those elves and drow used to cast

<Castinar> like cont darkness stones?

<Count_Arm> * no innate ones

<Count_Arm> * ?

<Castinar> I don't think Dark Vision sees into magical darkness, but I would have to double check on that.

<Count_Arm> heh i just did and it doesnt

<Diana> it doesnt

<Count_Arm> "Hmmm what vision impairment type spells do we have available to us now?"

<Castinar> "A hammer to the back of the skull usually works well to impare somebody's vision" Thengal growls

<Amber> *Thengal would probably be doing the same..guarding that is. ???

<Kat> "I have these arrows.."

<Count_Arm> "So it'll be bows vs crossbows, exposed vs covered, if we go that route."

<Kat> "How far is this light corridor?

<Count_Arm> "Somehow I think there will be just a wee bit more then 3 of them there"

<Diana> "Spells too, magic missiles do not miss."

<Castinar> Kat - what do you mean How Far?

<Kat> how much of it is light and how straight is it?

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*** db sets mode: +o Nikki

<Nikki> db

<db> Nikki rolled 1d20: [18]

<Castinar> It is lit up... checking

<Count_Arm> ah good nikki is here - take over!

<Count_Arm> combat.gif should be all you need to know

<Kat> bad guys are the X's

<Nikki> uh huh cool.

<Kat> We were going to just walk up and ask them directions to the City of the Glass Pool

<Castinar> about 200' in either direction from the fortifications, running straight for about 200' beyond that in your direction, Cast isn't sure how straight it is in the other direction beyond the light

<Kat> But, we figured you might not want us to do that

<Nikki> no, i wanted 1/3rd of us to go forward unarmed as a sign of our good will to ask if they've seen any elves floating upside down bleeding to death

<Kat> "400'. I can fire arrows at them.

<Nikki> seriously, though, whats going on?

<Castinar> "But they will have good cover behind their fortifications" Castinar says. The tops have crenelations they can hide behind

<Amber> "and they have crossbows" Amber adds

<Kat> "Well, after the first arrows land, we can see what they do. We will be safely out of sight."

<Castinar> db

<db> Castinar rolled 1d20: [7]

<Castinar> "Remember what the gnomes said" Castinar says, pulling out the gnome map. "Many diergund here. If we just start sniping at them that might give them time to get some of their "many" friends."

<Castinar> "then again, this could be an isolated outpost - in which cast it is probably manned with enough dirt-eaters to defend it from a fairly strong attack. Derro are crazy,but not stupid."

<Kat> "How can we find out which kind it is?"

<Kat> "And, what are diregund?"

<Castinar> "The gnomes' name for derro"